21:8; cf. https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22. Each differing in Glory but all great places to go. lift[ed] up his eyes and saw Abraham and Lazarus across an impassable gulf (Luke 16:23). We believe that after the final judgment there are four places to which a person may be sent. Jesus also referred to outer darkness in two parables he gave during the last week of his life. Jacob taught that the lake of fire is not a literal fire but a figurative representation of torment: And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end (2 Ne. One fire certainly shall be the lot of both. [4]. Hell is outer darkness; it is the lake of fire; and it is the second death. Even Nazi dictator Adolph Hitler will get nothing less than the telestial kingdom since he was never baptized/confirmed into the church; work was done in proxy for him in the London, England temple several decades ago. This objection is inconsistent since Mormonism teaches that Lucifer's demon forces, which are clearly destined for "outer darkness," make up one-third of God's "children" (Bruce R. McConkie,Mormon Doctrine, p. 195). Samuel also confirms the relationship John spoke of between the second death and the wicked being cast into fire, but he adds this explanatory clause: For they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness.. In the D&C, the definition of those who go to Outer Darkness is stated as: the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows; Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again; Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation (D&C 76:45-48). and they were judged every man according to their works (Rev. You dont believe it is true, which is the reason why you left. In short, Outer Darkness is eternal torture. The "authority" to marry a man to one wife is not the same as the "authority" to marry a man to more than one wife. It occurs in a doctrinal discussion Alma conducted with his son Corianton. 20:14). By taking 2 Nephi 2:25 to its logical conclusion, we learn that Satan also fell that men might be, and that they might have joy! The Plan of Salvation kind of negates the reason for missionary work. Brigham Young University Professor Larry E. Dahl reported: The word hell appears sixty-two times in the text of the Book of Mormon. The second death is a second separation from God, not because of Adams transgression (the first death) but because of ones own failure to repent of personal sin. Serve Satan. For those born in this life, the person must be a former member who knew Mormonism was true but still rebelled and went against the truth while still knowing it was true. The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars ( D&C 76:70, 78, 98 ). Those who must suffer with Satan for the deeds done in mortality will go with him into outer darkness. 22:13). You are taking quotes that are not Mormon Doctrine. The phrase first occurs in Jesus' comment concerning the faith of the Centurion of Capernaum: And I say to thee that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven: But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Bruce M. Metzger and Michael D. Coogan (New York: Oxford University Press, 1993), s.v. Horror Short Film "Outer Darkness" | ALTER | Online Premiere 31,262 views Mar 31, 2022 Subscribe to ALTER on YouTube: https://goo.gl/LnXRC3 .more .more 1K Dislike Share Save Description. Hmmm.. I doubt whether it can be found, from the revelations that are given and the facts as they exist, that there is a female in all the regions of hell. Brigham Young Journal of Discourses 8:222. The Book of Mormon also teaches that by coming unto Christ, one can escape the pains of hell experienced in this life. I have no fear of hell fire, that doesnt exist, but the torment and disappointment of the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstoneso is the torment of man. Learn how your comment data is processed. Rev. Source: https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf. (You are not one of those spirits since you have a mortal body.). Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. lucifer. kingdoms of glory. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The. No Mormon since the 1890 change has had the authority to marry any man to more than one woman. (see Rom. You quoted a website (Wikipedia) which is not doctrine and another website (FAIRMormon) which directly says it is not doctrine. Jacob identified death and hell as temporal and spiritual death. 185 Heber J. It is simply his opinion. So lets turn to that bastion of all wisdom that Jeremy Runnells was blamed for not believing and turning to with questions: FAIRMormon: The church has no official position on this issue. Jesus declared that this exalted city would be brought down to hell (Matt. 23:15). The Book of Mormon contains one reference to outer darkness. Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. D&C 133:73 says, These shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Humans who never heard about Mormonism will not go there, as tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith said, That is a punishment that will not come to those who have never known the truth. So why dont we get outer darkness too? These pains are similar to the state of suffering experienced by the ungodly who after mortality are assigned to hell. [1] See also Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed. Many of the apostates of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They must have had a fullness of knowledge; a testimony which cannot be destroyed. For example: everlasting fire (Matt. The first example would be spirits from the preexistence who sided with Lucifer rather than Jesus at the Council in Heavenwhere it was decided who would become the Savior of the World. 5:22), as were those who failed to cast away their sins (JSM 5:34; cf. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [i.e., overcome or defeated by Christs Atonement]. 28:2223). Banishment from the presence of God. Note the Book of Mormons addition of the words is as. Outer Darkness, I always heard, was reserved for a handful of suckers like Cain and Judas who saw God and/or Jesus and were still rebellious. 5:22), and the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone of which the apostle John wrote (Rev. As explained in D&C 88:11-13: The apostle James taught that the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity . Then is the time when their torments shall be as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever; and then is the time that they shall be chained down to an everlasting destruction, according to the power and captivity of Satan, he having subjected them according to his will. 3. (Selections of Doctrines of Salvation, p. 462. Did I really have full knowledge? A church manual reports, To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). . Source: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition. Joseph Fielding Smith who said that this class is composed of all who have known the power of God in this mortal life and then, having full knowledge of the power and purposes of God,rebel against him, putting Jesus Christ to open shame (Doctrines of Salvation 2:219-220. Therefore the Lord used Satans evil acts to accomplish his own purposes. Into the telestial kingdom will go, according to that which is written here in this revelation, the vicious, the unclean, the ungodly (Conference Reports, April 1942, p. 27). (p. 273). The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars (D&C 76:70 . In each New Testament passage that speaks of hell (the word hades is neutralneither a place of punishment nor reward but the place of departed spirits) the context associates it with suffering and punishment. 8:13). Jesus proclaimed to Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against the rock upon which He would build the Church (Matt. Even the most evil of people, including Adolph Hitler and those of his ilk, appear to have a place reserved for them in nothing less than the telestial kingdom. Banishment from the power of God. These spirits never received a mortal body necessary to progress to a kingdom of glory. In this realm, as the name implies, there will be no light, and consequently no heat. He wrote. Each person must reap the harvest of the seeds sown in this life. Alma 40. 21:8). Therefore repent ye, repent ye, lest by knowing these things and not doing them ye shall suffer yourselves to come under condemnation, and ye are brought down unto this second death (Hel. The wicked, or in this particular context, the sons of perdition who are filthy still after judgment and resurrection, are assigned to everlasting punishment (see 2 Ne. Mormon doctrines are often contradictory and inconsistent. Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. So I found one, by Joseph F. Smith, Thus we see that the first death which came into the world is also the last death which shall be pronounced upon the sons of perdition. Utterly turn against god. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God-banished entirely from his presence. The LDS version of the King James Bible and the Book of Mormon help us to understand that the word black is actually a Hebrew idiom, meaning gloomy, dejected, or spiritual darkness, and has nothing to do with skin tone. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! He was not ignorant, and therefore he became perdition, and they who followed him were sons of perdition, because he and they sinned knowingly. Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming. As with anything in Mormon doctrine, theres a lot of confusion, contradictory information and just all around ignoring a topic that should be as simple as asking a question and getting an answer. Mormon theology ultimately portrays Outer Darkness as heaven, and Satan as the God of that realm. there are two answers, one is being cast out of the presence of God which would be a form of darkness and the other is complete darkness without even the spirit of God in a spiritual realm as far as the light has an end, if thats possible. FAIRMormon says on this page even: When any man, except the President of the Church, undertakes to proclaim one unsettled doctrine, as among two or more doctrines in dispute, as the settled doctrine of the Church, we may know that he is not moved upon by the Holy Ghost, unless he is acting under the direction and by the authority of the President. The Book of Mormon clarifies that the lake of fire and brimstone is a metaphor for the suffering of the wicked. Add an RSC shortcut to this device's Homescreen, In the menu, scroll past any icons and tap. Thus, the second death is taught in conjunction with the first death, which came as a consequence of the Fall of Adam and Eve, and also with the Atonement of Jesus Christ, which redeems all of humankind from the first death through resurrection and the second death through repentance. This analysis will first briefly review what we know from the teachings of the Restoration about hell, second death, the lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. (See D&C 76:2835, 4448.) Smith described these spirits who were the first to display rebellious ways: Lucifer became perdition by rebellion. It is, therefore, important to examine carefully the context of each reference. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. He once said that a person. . Because of their disobedience, these spirits ended up not receiving bodies, a necessary ingredient to progress to mortality and be qualified for one of the three kingdoms of glory. 21:8; see also 19:20). T F According to a church manual, those who never were Mormon could never be sent to Outer Darkness. So a heads up, this does not include you or any one who has ever been or will be born on Earth. We will, however, address some of the portrayals of other LDS beliefs and practices that were depicted in this episode. And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls. Through his Atonement, Resurrection, and ministry in the spirit world, Christ provided a bridge by which repentant souls could cross the gulf from hell to spiritual freedom. It is impossible for those who never joined Mormonism to become sons of perdition. So, if you are directly listing to Satan, like Cain, and actively turning away from God, like Cain, then you can become a Son of Perdition. But suppose, deep down, I do believe the church is true. The city of Capernaum was upbraided for its lack of faith in view of the miracles Jesus performed there. The third use occurs in the parable of the talents: "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30). This is in contrast to the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, who will receive a kingdom of glory after the Final Judgment, and enter into one of three degrees of glory after the resurrection: celestial, terrestrial, or telestial kingdoms. Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell (James 3:6). D&C 76 does say telestial people are the ones thrust down to hell and not redeemed until the last resurrection. Now go take a nap and rest well! Even if a person had once been a Latter-day Saint, Kimball said it still was practically impossible for a human to become a son of perdition: The sin against the Holy Ghost requires such knowledge that it is manifestly impossible for the rank and file to commit such a sin (Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 123) (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, p. 161).