Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. Juno is also important. Unable to forget it? Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. I use both in my practice. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? It also works the other way. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. But, our composite chart is weird. Talking about Fate! Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. How that manifests depends on other aspects. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. Lilith in the 12th House. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. Thank you, Dawn. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. So much uncertainty and confusion!! IP: Logged. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. I will look into it. 1. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. . When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. or is it irrelevant ? Well it is a living hell right now! Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. The composite chart is probably the best known. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. . With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! That may mean leaving you behind. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Mysterious things attract you. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. Thank you in advance. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. Thanks so much Dawn. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. Thank You so much for Your answer! It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Lovely article. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. We communicated telepathically and still do. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. We both have natal moon in house 12. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? He literally proposed to me the night we met. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. What do you think? I cant really comment without seeing the charts. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. We are fated, but we are meant to part. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. A very painful and challenging connection. Could I ask Your opinion? We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. What do You think about Davison Chart? What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Lilith in the 12th House is an unusual placement because it revolves around the dark side of your life and its unseen parts. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. Is there nothing better to hope for? Overall, this is considered a favorable Lilith placement, as it is . And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! Thanks! We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. Hi! Whatever I told you would not have a context. scares me a bit. Most of my relationships are like that . We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. Lilith square . Through the sixth house, you must learn to function in the world efficiently and take up the calling to serve Humanity. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. P.S. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. It has been a very long journey! But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. Dear Dawn, It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Something is whispering in their ears. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? He knows me better than I know myself at times. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. The south node lies there on the natal composite. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. Thank you, Tricia. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it Hi Evelyne. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? You have nailed my experience. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. I need help! I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? Gilly. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. Black Moon Lilith in 5th or 11th house in composite chart: This . Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. Illusions yes I know. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. Hi Daw Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Thank you for your answer. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) . The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. Venus in 12th House Man. I don know what to do. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. Thank you for this article. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Dont worry, Evelyne. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. VERY-VERY SORRY! This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. Im so confused by this mix! A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. Could I ask Your opinion? I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. Was our purpose to heal each other? Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. We are still friends and well always love each other. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. What of mother-daughter pairs? Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. should i run away from this relationship? Do you think that is true? It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives.